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Message 281 - Posted 31 Aug 2013 23:22:34 UTC

    the credit system is horrible i have 10 computers 16 cores dedicated to the project less the 1000 credits in 48 hrs what gives

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    Message 282 - Posted 2 Sep 2013 8:47:11 UTC

      Don't know how, but my 11+10+8+2+2=33 cores give to me roughly 13000 to 15000 points/day. So maybe you should dedicate more time to this project (I'm running SAT 24 hrs - no other projects) or overclock your cores a bit more.

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      Message 283 - Posted 2 Sep 2013 8:55:51 UTC

        Oh yes! I forgot to mention that a lot of tasks are in "pending" state at the beginning. So your real speed will be reached about one week after. Then number of tasks going from "in progress" to "pending" will be more or less equal to the number of tasks going from "pending" to "validated"

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        Message 300 - Posted 22 Feb 2014 13:48:23 UTC

          It would be nice if the credit awarded was averaged across the two amounts of claimed credit.

          I have come back after a long break only to find the credit is as bad or worse than before.

          My claimed amount on average is less than half of what I claim, awarding me often less than 15 credit an hour.

          Averaging the claims by both computers would even things out a lot.

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          Message 301 - Posted 22 Feb 2014 14:56:57 UTC - in response to Message 300.

            The credits on this project are pathetic. Anytime your wingman is running Linux you can expect your awarded credits to 1/4 to 1/2. I have multiple work units that have paid 8 credits per hour.

            If this isn't the worst paying project in all of BOINC it is close!

            At least AVERAGE the 2 WU and award that credit.

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            Message 302 - Posted 22 Feb 2014 17:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 301.

              The credits on this project are pathetic. Anytime your wingman is running Linux you can expect your awarded credits to 1/4 to 1/2. I have multiple work units that have paid 8 credits per hour.

              If this isn't the worst paying project in all of BOINC it is close!

              At least AVERAGE the 2 WU and award that credit.


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              12 Feb 2014 6:10:11 UTC 13 Feb 2014 12:43:05 UTC Completed and validated 2,928.17 27.19 6.48

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              Message 306 - Posted 1 Mar 2014 8:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 300.

                I agree points here are WORSE than at SETI.

                I believe this project uses Dr. Anderson (of SETI) "CREDIT SCREWED" formula to compute points.

                Project Admin's/Scientist's need to do something about it. The longer they wait, the less people will want to put there computers to use for this project.
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                Message 307 - Posted 2 Mar 2014 19:09:47 UTC - in response to Message 306.


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                  Project Admin's/Scientist's need to do something about it. The longer they wait, the less people will want to put there computers to use for this project.

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                  Message 308 - Posted 10 Mar 2014 10:06:42 UTC - in response to Message 306.

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                    HERE IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF CRAPPY CREDIT:

                    Task ID Work unit ID Sent Time reported or deadline Run time (sec) claimed credit granted credit 7370165 3346150 9 Mar 2014 19:24:42 UTC 10 Mar 2014 2:42:48 UTC Completed and validated 8,467.64 27.24 9.61 7369723 3345929 9 Mar 2014 19:20:10 UTC 9 Mar 2014 22:47:14 UTC Completed and validated 7,992.24 25.71 25.71

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                    Message 778 - Posted 1 Apr 2014 4:44:51 UTC - in response to Message 308.

                      I agree that the credit system must be fixed. It wasn't done already because of lack of human resourses. I wiil do my best to fix it, thanks for your patience.

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                      Message 780 - Posted 8 Jun 2014 2:12:13 UTC

                        Thanks Oleg,

                        So far things are still the same so hoping that you or your team will find the time and resources soon enough to look at this issue.

                        Good to see some steady work again.

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                        Message 794 - Posted 12 Nov 2014 6:22:43 UTC - in response to Message 778.

                          Message 778 - Posted 1 Apr 2014 4:44:51 UTC - in response to Message 308.
                          I agree that the credit system must be fixed. It wasn't done already because of lack of human resourses. I wiil do my best to fix it, thanks for your patience.

                          7 MONTHS HAVE PASSED... WHAT THE HELL TAKING SO LONG TO FIX THE CRAPPY CREDITS???
                          LATEST EXAMPLE:
                          (Task ID) 12172058 (Computer) 27150 11 Nov 2014 22:17:21 UTC Completed and validated (Run Time {Seconds}) 52,774.48 (claimed Credit) 102.31 (Granted Credit) 28.78


                          BROKEN LINK TO REFERENCED TASK BELOW TO AVOID ANTI-SPAM FILTER
                          /pdsat/workunit.php?wuid=5488064
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                          Message 795 - Posted 18 Nov 2014 13:06:20 UTC

                            same to me,

                            12264389 21127 17 Nov 2014 23:11:17 UTC 18 Nov 2014 1:53:52 UTC Completed and validated 8,870.44 28.36 28.36
                            12264390 3122 17 Nov 2014 23:25:51 UTC 18 Nov 2014 5:29:55 UTC Completed and validated 20,885.43 161.98 28.36

                            Looks like the runtime is calculated wrong, during restart of the result

                            Task 12264389
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                            bivium9_2 range1 5878980000000 range2 5879039999999 mpi_b.var_choose_order.size() 43 var_values_vec.size() 209 bivium_template S->max_nof_restarts 5000 S->max_solving_time 360.000000 S->core_len 177 S->start_activity 1.000000 start of range mode before loop of solving 02:03:19 (142397): No heartbeat from client for 30 sec - exiting
                            bivium9_2 range1 5878980000000 range2 5879039999999 mpi_b.var_choose_order.size() 43 var_values_vec.size() 209 bivium_template S->max_nof_restarts 5000 S->max_solving_time 360.000000 S->core_len 177 S->start_activity 1.000000 start of range mode before loop of solving 02:06:14 (143321): No heartbeat from client for 30 sec - exiting
                            bivium9_2 range1 5878980000000 range2 5879039999999 mpi_b.var_choose_order.size() 43 var_values_vec.size() 209 bivium_template S->max_nof_restarts 5000 S->max_solving_time 360.000000 S->core_len 177 S->start_activity 1.000000 start of range mode before loop of solving 02:29:53 (143373): No heartbeat from client for 30 sec - exiting
                            bivium9_2 range1 5878980000000 range2 5879039999999 mpi_b.var_choose_order.size() 43 var_values_vec.size() 209 bivium_template S->max_nof_restarts 5000 S->max_solving_time 360.000000 S->core_len 177 S->start_activity 1.000000 start of range mode before loop of solving bivium9_2 range1 5878980000000 range2 5879039999999 mpi_b.var_choose_order.size() 43 var_values_vec.size() 209 bivium_template S->max_nof_restarts 5000 S->max_solving_time 360.000000 S->core_len 177 S->start_activity 1.000000 start of range mode before loop of solving 03:01:23 (145445): called boinc_finish

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                            Task 12264390
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                            bivium9_2 range1 5878980000000 range2 5879039999999 mpi_b.var_choose_order.size() 43 var_values_vec.size() 209 bivium_template S->max_nof_restarts 5000 S->max_solving_time 360.000000 S->core_len 177 S->start_activity 1.000000 start of range mode before loop of solving 04:37:30 (2706): called boinc_finish

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                            Message 796 - Posted 18 Nov 2014 21:07:58 UTC

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                              some additional thoughts
                              the run time for a result per CPU type with no restart is nearly the same.
                              Core i5-3470 -> round 12900 sec
                              Core i5 CPU 650 -> round 23700 sec
                              Core i5-2500K -> round 13400 sec

                              the run time in the tasks list depends on the last (re-)start of a result.

                              So the easiest way will be fixed credit.

                              Or a new application which will deliver the correct run time for restarted results.

                              If you get correct results, I would prefer fixed credit.

                              the stderr_txt with one line does not mean, the result hat not restart.
                              you need to count the bivium9_2 in the line
                              see task resultid=12271063
                              it has one restart, and this is the cause for the shorter run time.

                              edit: corrections
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                              Message 797 - Posted 25 Nov 2014 11:16:45 UTC - in response to Message 796.

                                To be more exactly,
                                the run time in tasks list depends on the last start of the boinc client or the last "No heartbeat from client for 30 sec - exiting"

                                I found some results with the heartbeat error
                                e.g.
                                resultid=12249281
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                                Message 803 - Posted 10 Dec 2014 12:11:39 UTC - in response to Message 797.

                                  System with fixed credit was launched yesterday. Please check is it fair enough.

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                                  Message 808 - Posted 8 Jan 2015 1:19:08 UTC - in response to Message 803.

                                    Hi,

                                    Your front page says credits are now fixed at 130 but currently only 84 credits are being granted for each WU processed !

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                                    Message 809 - Posted 8 Jan 2015 18:47:13 UTC - in response to Message 808.

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                                      Hi,

                                      Your front page says credits are now fixed at 130 but currently only 84 credits are being granted for each WU processed !


                                      I have added news about this stuff:
                                      "New experiment aimed at solving non-weakened cryptanalysis problem for the Bivium cipher was started. WUs are simpler than ones in previous experiment, so 84 credits are granted for every WU (instead of 130 credits)."

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